Career Development for Life Scientists Group
Go to group page


Warning: preg_match_all(): Compilation failed: invalid range in character class at offset 88 in /home/etpl2013/public_html/biocrowd.com/components/com_community/helpers/videos.php on line 128

Warning: preg_match_all(): Compilation failed: invalid range in character class at offset 88 in /home/etpl2013/public_html/biocrowd.com/components/com_community/helpers/videos.php on line 128

Warning: preg_match_all(): Compilation failed: invalid range in character class at offset 88 in /home/etpl2013/public_html/biocrowd.com/components/com_community/helpers/videos.php on line 128

Warning: preg_match_all(): Compilation failed: invalid range in character class at offset 88 in /home/etpl2013/public_html/biocrowd.com/components/com_community/helpers/videos.php on line 128

Warning: preg_match_all(): Compilation failed: invalid range in character class at offset 88 in /home/etpl2013/public_html/biocrowd.com/components/com_community/helpers/videos.php on line 128

Warning: preg_match_all(): Compilation failed: invalid range in character class at offset 88 in /home/etpl2013/public_html/biocrowd.com/components/com_community/helpers/videos.php on line 128

Warning: preg_match_all(): Compilation failed: invalid range in character class at offset 88 in /home/etpl2013/public_html/biocrowd.com/components/com_community/helpers/videos.php on line 128

Warning: preg_match_all(): Compilation failed: invalid range in character class at offset 88 in /home/etpl2013/public_html/biocrowd.com/components/com_community/helpers/videos.php on line 128

Warning: preg_match_all(): Compilation failed: invalid range in character class at offset 88 in /home/etpl2013/public_html/biocrowd.com/components/com_community/helpers/videos.php on line 128

Warning: preg_match_all(): Compilation failed: invalid range in character class at offset 88 in /home/etpl2013/public_html/biocrowd.com/components/com_community/helpers/videos.php on line 128

Warning: preg_match_all(): Compilation failed: invalid range in character class at offset 88 in /home/etpl2013/public_html/biocrowd.com/components/com_community/helpers/videos.php on line 128

Degreed scientists have it especially hard in today's job market. What a degree is and what it really represents has become lost in the confusion. This has become especially true for PhD holders. Can we get a discussion about what it means to have a degree?

Academia used to be an exclusive club of individuals seeking enlightenment and understanding. Now it looks like a sleazy market place of dirty deals. Has it always been like this or have I become a victim of my own older age and understanding? Maybe it’s time to once again question the phrase “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain”

Now that the meaning of a degree has become watered down and distributed to the masses for monetary gain how do we fix it? There are several techniques we can use to bring that concentration back up to usable standards. However, as with any technique, there are pros and cons associated with each. There is no one-size-fits all.

If no one values your degree as much as you show them they are wrong. There is so much to explore in the world, no…the universe, that if you are not overwhelmed by the sheer volume of topics at your disposal then you paid too much for your degree. Even if you had all the grant money in the world, you would not have enough to satisfy your curiosity. Why would you allow it to be a significant factor now? You have a degree but no money, and then start writing something, anything, as long as it is a truth you believe. It may not be easy, but that degree should not have been easy either.

That’s only one of the many ideas left. I showed you mine, do you have the courage to show yours?

Discussion started by Decline Decline , on 1672 days ago
You need to be a member of this group before you can participate in this discussion
Loreto Gestoso
I would like to belive in zvonimir words, very beautiful words by the way, but when you sacrifice everything during so long, you get tired and end disappointed. For me, every year without working in science or research is a stone in my career and my cv becomes in less and less desirable for employers, how to fight this situation? I would like to know
1590 days ago
 
Loreto Gestoso
I am from Spain and here a degree is less than nothing. I am too much prepared for certain jobs but in academic or research field nobody hires me without a phD, even in basic work or technician work. I am preparing my phD but I need to work to pay my studies and to live.I am thinking in moving abroad but is also difficult to find a job in another country.
1590 days ago
 
Cliff Mintz
@Hannah Getting an advanced degree is a great idea as long as you go into it with your "eyes open'" and have reasonable expectations regarding future employment opportunities. That said, it is a good idea to map a career path so that you make the right decisions to maximize the benefits of your degree!
1610 days ago
 
Hannah Davis
As an undergrad nearing the end of my Bachelor's, I can't yet speak from experience, but I am hoping that my future degree(s) will give me opportunities that I do not currently have. The chance to do work that I love is worth all the hours in the library/lab, as well as the well-known risk of not finding a job after graduation.
1616 days ago
 
Decline Decline
Thanks for joining the discussion Cyrielle! What is your current situation? Are you part of the 21% seeking job oppertunities as well?
1625 days ago
 
Cyrielle
It's too bad we don't have a button "like" here because I loved your sentence, zvonimir : "I believe that you have to be persistent in your goals and ambitions, the result will come no matter what, sooner or later."

I didn't know we have this huge rate of unemployment... It's a little bit depressing.
1628 days ago
 
zenov
Our rate of unemployment is 21% that is huge number, our scientists always go out and make a remarkable careers away from homeland so I wont give up, I believe that you have to be persistent in your goals and ambitions, the result will come no matter what, sooner or later.
1664 days ago
 
Decline Decline
I definitely agree and appreciate the opportunities available in America verses other areas. However, I believe when it comes to objectively driven industries such as biology, chemistry or engineering it’s an injustice to describe the glass as half full or half empty. It’s simply a half a glass. It seems that independent of the country, there are more people than jobs in these fields. The entire world is booming with the potential to make advances in very important areas, but it takes the people with the power (money) to turn that potential energy into kinetic energy, but they are scared. What are they scared of? Falling off their pedestal (losing their money). It’s a shame that the fear of a few has such a dramatic effect on the rest.
The craziest thing about money is that it is very analogous to the law of conservation of energy. It can never be created nor destroyed. It simply gets exchanged from one form to another. In all reality, they are scared of losing something that cannot very really be lost. I would bet good money that investing in countries like Croatia would do wonders for the sciences.
You guys have unique problems and a unique set of resources at your disposal for solving those problems. The attempt at how people in your country would employ your resources to solve its problems would be worth watching. It’s hard to see fellow scientist not given their due opportunity.
1668 days ago
 
zenov
I like the way you compare tomatoes with this story but it is true. About hiring managers I could write for hours also :) I believe that you have more opportunities in America then people here where I live, it could always be much worse, but never as bad as here where I am from. I have friends that are unable to find a job for more than 5 years, can you imagine the frustration about that :) Money opens far more doors than degree here, more than you can imagine, so be happy that you arent here - thats my consolation for you
1669 days ago
 
Decline Decline
Thanks For Joining The Discussion! This should be fun!

That is precisely what I am trying to bring to bring out and expose. Why is it that your degree, when looked at on its own is considered to be nothing? It is merely supplemental material which holds less merit on its own today than it did yesterday. Money holds its value far better, even in an economic downturn, than a degree. People will say they respect a degree, but when asked to show it, it’s never there.

Here is some food for thought: Do you sometimes feel like you purchased a bag of bad tomatoes? You knew that the bag had rotten tomatoes in it when you purchased it. However, that is not why you bought the bag. You actually bought the bag for the tomato seeds.

I feel a degree is a measurement of the lower limit of your potential. Yet hiring managers see it as the upper limit of your capacity. Is this there a communication discontinuity taking place?
1669 days ago
 
zenov
well I can tell you from my experience that my degree here where I live (Europe, Croatia) is a respected one, but if you have more ambitions and want to do more, as me, you re unable to proceed with your education if you dont have the right background, money and know people to push you so you end up like me searching a job from homeland where is possible to achieve your goals and fulfill your ambitions, so I can now say, that from my point of view, my degree is nothing without money because youre unable to do anything :D
1669 days ago